An observation on history

Ok a lot of what I'm about to say is going to be quite controversial, I'm not going to ask you to believe me I'm just going to ask you to genuinely engage with the questions I'm asking.

Often times when the conversation about the relationship between men and women in society comes up especially when the topic of the numerous privileges women as a class experience over men in the modern day a common rebuttal is to point to the historic oppression of women in the past and the current oppression of women in certain countries outside of the west.

this happens doubly so when things like the empathy gap are brought up often the argument goes if men truly cared about women more than men and men cared about women more than men why were women so mistreated throughout history?

To answer that question in detail I would like to go through a series of thought experiments;

Why is it that countries that practice Islam (for example but any religion that has heavy sway in a culture count) are seen as sexist countries?

In these same Muslim countries where women are forced to wear hijabs or else face the threat of violence, men are also forced to not cut their beards under similar threats of violence.

Thieves have their hands cut off when they're caught and a man essentially has to pay for any crime his wife commits with or without his knowledge.

Islam is not a culture that "uniquely" oppressed women. It is a culture with oppressive and restrictive social norms across the board. Feminists just do this little magic trick where they focus solely on how women are oppressed in said culture, ignoring how men are oppressed in said culture, and spin a narrative about supposed inequality.

This spinning of a narrative to me is what has been done in almost every historical and present country that is and was considered heavily sexist towards women at least in the mainstream.

We don't even have to look that far to find examples of this looking back at the first wave of feminism where women where looking for the right to vote to very big tricks were played in the way we view these events.

  1. People ignore the fact that the average man did not have the right to vote that long before women got the right to vote the vast majority of (white) men only started voting across the us at around 1840 with the first set of suffragettes gaining their right around 1868, Before that point only land owners were allowed to vote (including some women depending on if the land was inherited by them) and the only reason men gained said right was due to increased demand of able bodied men to fight in wars since at the time the right to vote also came with the responsibility of the draft. the only reason men gained such a right in the first place was due to a need for cannon fodder.
  2. and coming from the first the majority of women during the time of first-wave feminism didn't want the right to vote in the first place because it came with the responsibility of the draft and ladies in mass did not want to go to war. it was only when they started fighting for the right to vote without the responsibility of the draft that voting rights became something the average woman wanted.

another often-used tactic I hate is to make the choices of the vast majority of a gender influenced by a culture only to be oppression when it happens to women.

For example when you make the observation that for a lot of history even before the 1950 women in mass where actually allowed to work especially in more ancient cultures like sparta and Greece where most of the men where off at war so more women had to be involved in the administration of the state that most women simply did not want to work and wanted to stay home and be the equivalent of a house wife ( the idea of a complete house existed for a very short time in the us and was basically none existant in the rest of the world and even the families that did sport a complete house-wife was typically upper middle class a certainly not the standard). I am told in response to this that just because the women in these cultures where taught from a very young age to accept their oppression doesn't mean they wanted to be oppressed.

Yet when i Ask these same people. "So how where ancient spartans, romans vikings and so many other cultures not oppressive to men when they basically forced most of them to go to war and be murdered in mass from as early as five years old?'

They will say " the men wanted to go to war and fight they had a choice the girls didn't" (which is inaccurate most war soldiers in most countries ranged from prisoners, the peasantry who could only survive on a soldiers income and those conscripted against their will especially during really hard times but lets pretend it was a choice for the sake of argument"

Why is it that when even in modern day women are taught that it is feminine in society to be submissive and to take care of children/ a home this is an example of oppression and if they actually enjoy this life style it is an example of internalized misogyny?

But when a man is taught from a young age that his life is worth less than the women and children around him and that it is masculine to sacrifice life and limb for your family while expecting nothing in return, or that it's his responsibly to go to war if and when the oligarchs of his nation deem feet regardless of his political affiliation is that not seen as oppression? and why is it not considered internalized misandry when he actually belives this thing about himself and his fellow men?

All cultures people claim to exist against women had this tactic done hell it's a tactic used all the way to the modern day where women are still somehow oppressed despite men having no legal rights women don't with women having several in the reverse.

The tax system right now close culturally is designed to redistribute wealth from men to women yet somehow women are still oppressed.

the truth of the matter is it doesn't matter where we get as a society or how much advantages the average woman has over the average man society will always see women as a protected class who needs saving its in our biological makeup. Hell,we evolved to produce for men more than women precisely because we are biologically expected to live shorter lives.